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lovinlife
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cball
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 Posted - 11/06/2009 : 08:12:47 AM
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| My understanding is that the passenger was a 19 year old female. Seems like by now there would have been some kind of update. |
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takeastand
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 08:41:03 AM
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| read the comments attached to the article w/sturgis journal...you'll learn more, whether it's true or not...don't know |
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Rumor Runner
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:14:14 AM
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The comment section of the Journal makes me want to vomit. Mistakes were made, but I do not believe any criticism should be given to he TRPD. They had no way of knowing that this individual would act carelessly and risk injury and death to himself or his passenger. It is truly a tragic situation- but NO blame should be put on the officer involved.
If he/she were not doing their job and let this couple simply flee; and then their vehicle hit my family in our car, we would be up in arms about that situation as well. Those who make terrible choices live with terrible consequences. It is a sad and tragic situation- but my thoughts are that it is unjust to blame a police officer for simply doing his/her job.
The RUMOR RUNNER attempts to verify and chase down a variety of rumors in and around St. Joseph County. |
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brammak
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:36:47 AM
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Thank you and well said, Rumor Runner. Sick of people placing blame on officers doing their jobs.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
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silentTRobserver
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 2:19:01 PM
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| Same old, same old - police 100 percent - public zero, regardless of the facts. In amongst the police officers doing an honest job, we do have overzealous types, bullies, liars, and egotists - same as in any other job. Just needs to be sorted out what category the pursuing officer falls into. |
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Brat65
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 3:40:04 PM
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Ok let's for a minute forget about the facts.
- Two families have been devastated by stupidity
- Someone under age decided to drink
- Someone who was under age, who had been drinking decided to drive
- Someone voluntarily got into the car with him, knowing his condition
- Then decide to run instead of stopping when BREAKING THE LAW AGAIN
Now considering the speed that this happened at, estimated between 80-100, the distance the entire chase covered, about 1 1/2 miles maybe. Does anyone really think any officer would had time to think to himself, I'm gonna stop this guy no matter what!
But let's for the sake of argument say he had time. Some say he had the license plate so he should have backed off. Yep the license tells you who is driving. No...it tells you who the car is registered too. It does not tell you whether the person inside has just committed a violent crime or not. Whether the car was just stolen and has yet to be reported. But hey let's just let them go.
I am sorry that families have been ripped apart by this. I also am not one who has never broken the law. But it was all my MY choices. I did things that I wanted to do just like they did. Just my 2 cents and my opinion. |
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brammak
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 4:39:59 PM
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With which I happen to agree.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
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cuzimrite
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 7:55:25 PM
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#1---What time of day/night did this occur?
If this was in the middle of the night????...yes, let him go. If not, the only issue would be safety of others.
#2---Where was the driver from?
The only reason I ask is because I used to live on Lovers Lane (back when it was still considered country.), and I tried to take Buckhorn Road at a new speed record, and it is not the right kind of road to do that on. While it took many weeks to pay for the mail boxes I took out, it was an important lesson; I never tried to outrun the local thugs on Buckhorn Road.
It all boils down to revenue anyway. If the city/county/state didn't get such a big piece of the overly-punitive fines against people that are least able to pay, they would lose their incentive for the chase...especially from 2:45am - 5:00am. |
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brammak
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 05:26:46 AM
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cuz....let them go? So, the driver can say it wasn't him driving the car? Let's just send everyone the message that you can run from police and you will get away with it. What happens then to people that may be innocent bystanders? The time, if I remember correctly was midnight. The time frame of the "chase" was 45 to 60 seconds. The car was a 5.0 Mustang.
A wise man does not need advice and a fool won't take it.
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TR transplant
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 08:15:30 AM
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| so it's ok to be drunk and behind the wheel of a killing machine, as long as its after 3am because the cops stop doing their job at that time? thats just plain stupid reasoning cuz |
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vblainev
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USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 09:41:14 AM
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The whole thing is a tragedy. It make my heart sick to think one young lady is dead and another young man is facing very uncertain extreme pain and suffering. It's a very heavy and sobering burden these families,friends and community is carrying. I'm sure the Officer is also absolutely sick about the outcome but he's not to blame.
I can't imagine the emptiness and sorrow all involved are experiencing.
It's a tragedy of life that has been repeated time and time again.
The kids are to blame without a doubt BUT they're kids and everyone of us reading this has done stupid things. Some of us have paid the price and some of us were lucky enough to get away with our stupid decisions.
The Police Officer is NOT to blame ! Are they suppose to let everyone who runs get away. That would only increase the problem many fold.
So maybe the lesson here is to take time and really pray for all involved!
Maybe the lesson here is to thank God you didn't pay the price when you made stupid decisions.
Maybe the lesson here is to remind all of us, and our children, that there may be tragic consequences when we make bad decisions!!
What is certain here is, many are suffering. Life will never be the same for others. There is a long long road ahead filled with pain and sorrow, emptyness and confusion. Why did this have to happen.
Where was God in this whole mess.
I know the McLain's and I know life has been difficult for them for a long time and now to face this is hard to comprehend.
Here's what I know.
2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God. (NIV)
Our hope lies in God who is working in our circumstances. Setting our hope on God's grace at work in and through us is our greatest source of comfort. This is our greatest source of hope for those around us who are undergoing trials and tribulations.
1 Corinthians 10:12-13
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
The PROMISE is God's grace is sufficent for us ,in ALL we walk throught. ALL we walk throught.
Every pain, every hardship. every burden, even those that take your breath away.
God is our place of healing and hope and restoration from every situation.
I know ! I've walked through it ! I came out the other end, still standing, still living life, still believing that Jesus Christ did what he said he did for me. Still knowing He is my hope , my life and my continued restoration!!!
Thank You Father for restoring my life and giving me hope again! Thank You for caring enough to suffer unimaginable pain so I could have this place with you. Thank You for taking each and every step with me as I walked through devastating life changing moments.
Jesus Christ will do the same for you AND ALL INVOLVED !!! |
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cuzimrite
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:39:58 AM
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I'm ashamed by the arrogance shown by law enforcement. Their silence is ample proof that something went wrong. Anyone...ANYONE who blindly supports an organization that hides behind its own incompetence deserves a system of thugs that go into situations with either screwed-up monetary priorities or too indecisive/inexperienced to just do what's right.
This is just a continuation of years of unsolved cases and a lack of accountability. |
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Dru
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 3:48:23 PM
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Cuz - silence on the part of law enforcement is there for a few reasons... 1. MOST law enforcement officers were not there. 2. MOST of us don't know the facts. We haven't read the report or talked to the parties involved so we can not accurately discuss the facts. 3. We are bound by the law and department policies. There is an ongoing investigation and we do not have the liberty to discuss the facts of the case.
None of those reasons provide the slightest hint of arrogance by law enforcement.
But I will agree with you on a couple things.
No one should blindly support ANY organization. Most importantly, I couldn't concur more that "something went wrong."
Mr. White you are an extremely intelligent man so I am certain you understand the entire "rights and responsibilities" of being a member of a civilized society.
For some reason, a young man failed to stop for the police. This young man gambled with peoples lives. In this case, the entire community lost because of his gamble.
Law enforcement officers are paid to enforce laws. Those laws encompass things not everyone agrees with. There is a large group that do not agree with marijuana laws. There are even more that dislike traffic violations. Regardless of anyones' opinion, they are still laws and we are still paid to enforce them.
This young man failed to meet his responsibilities and adhere to the "system" that was set up by our forefathers to determine guilt or innocence. His attempt to "get away" is the sole factor that ultimately cost a life. Now this young man has to answer to the "system" for the decisions he made.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Voltaire
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greenpeace
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 5:54:15 PM
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| I just hope victim's services will be there for the people that own the house and witnessed this tragedy, and now have to deal with the memorial and all. It must have been life shattering. Yes, prayers for all. |
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Rumor Runner
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USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 3:22:23 PM
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It still amazes me that some will continue to blame the officer. I am NOT in law enforcement but I suspect as an intelligent person I might guess a few things;
You often don't run if you aren't guilty.
The officer likely noticed a passenger was involved, could she have been in danger?
With high speeds, other innocent parties on the road could have been injured
What are the consequences of letting them go and tracking them down tomorrow (I wasn't driving officer).
Yes, I am sure there are slackers and liars and jerks on all departments- but they lay their lives on the line for us day in and day out and we typically fail to think about them until it is convienient for us. If they pull us over for speeding- they are pigs. If they are slow to respond we mock them for eating donuts. If they dare do their jobs- we blast them on sites like this. Seriously?
The RUMOR RUNNER attempts to verify and chase down a variety of rumors in and around St. Joseph County. |
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Fatal crash/ high speed chase
