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Buck
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Posted - 11/18/2004 :  8:20:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Earring gets 8th graders expelled from Clinton Middle School


Three eighth grade boys can no longer attend Clinton Middle School after administrators said they violated the district's zero tolerance policy on weapons. The weapon in this case is an earring.

Around noon Tuesday, after Alan Vanhuss put an earring in his right ear his science teacher sent him to the principal's office. "They told me it was considered a dangerous weapon and I wasn't allowed to pierce my ear in school and it's zero tolerance."

However, both of the Vanhuss' ears are already pierced and it's not against the rules to wear earrings at school. Read More - WATE.Com

Zoro Intelligence blogged it here.


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va_libertarian
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  1:24:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is mind-numbingly stupid. After a while, these stories cease to be anecdotes. Nationally, there is a clear pattern of irrational, anti-social behavior by school administrators. I am afraid they all think this way, even though some of them are more circumspect in their actions.

If the government schools were a business, they would have gone bankrupt long ago. I cannot tell you how much happier my children have been since we put them in a private school. And, relatively speaking, our government schools in Roanoke County are pretty good.

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Buck
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  1:36:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I am not sure if you went to the Zero Intelligence site or not but he found the actual policy here (pdf file). It says this:
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I. Weapons
Students shall not possess, handle, transmit, use or attempt to use any dangerous weapon.
"Dangerous weapon" or "weapon" means any dangerous instrument or substance, which is capable of inflicting any injury on any person.
Students found to be in violation of this policy shall be expelled for not less than one (1) calendar year. [ Gun Free Schools Act 1994, Section 1401 (1) (2); TCA 49-6-4202; TCA 39-17-1309; TCA49-6-3401; TCA 49-6-4202].

A weapon is any dangerous item, which could cause any injury. Under that definition e pencil could cause injury therefore would be a dangerous weapon.


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va_libertarian
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Posted - 11/19/2004 :  3:14:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did go. Zero Intelligence sums it up pretty well.

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Buck
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Posted - 12/13/2004 :  9:31:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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10-year-old arrested, handcuffed over scissors


A 10-year-old girl was placed in handcuffs and taken to a police station because she took a pair of scissors to her elementary school. School district officials said the fourth-grade student did not threaten anyone with the 8-inch shears, but violated a rule that considers scissors to be potential weapons.

Administrators said they were following state law when they called police Thursday, and police said they were following department rules when they handcuffed Porsche Brown and took her away in a patrol wagon. Read More - MSNBC

If true, this has to be the worst case of Zero Tolerance stupidity that I have ever read. Go a head try and top this one. I dare you.



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Posted - 12/14/2004 :  10:52:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I heard this on the radio this morning on the drive in and thought of this thread! Why is simple logic such a hard thing to figure out with these things?

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Police officers decided the girl hadn’t committed a crime and let her go.
A little late don't you think?







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va_libertarian
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Posted - 12/14/2004 :  12:26:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They wuz "just followin' orders".

This is child abuse.

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Buck
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Posted - 12/15/2004 :  11:16:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here is an update on this story School Scissor Arrest Prompts Apology



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va_libertarian
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Posted - 01/01/2005 :  10:47:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marcus Burlingame, assistant principal of an Ypsilanti middle school, allegedly has been stealing students' prescription ADD medication. Read more at
http://www.ypsilanticourier.com/2004/homepage/04120903.htm

I wonder how much tolerance the school system will have for this guy?

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va_libertarian
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Posted - 01/26/2005 :  10:26:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From Florida Sun-Sentinel.com.
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OCALA -- Two boys, ages 9 and 10, were charged with felonies and taken away from school in handcuffs, accused of making violent drawings of stick figures.

The boys were charged with making a written threat to kill or harm another person, a second-degree felony.

Read the whole story at
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-0126violentdrawings,0,3297923.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

I believe these boys (special ed students according to the story) deserve to be punished. I do NOT believe charging them with felonies is necessary, nor is it appropriate. We have gutless morons running many of our public schools.

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Edited by - va_libertarian on 01/26/2005 10:27:21 AM
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Posted - 01/26/2005 :  11:56:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I believe these boys (special ed students according to the story) deserve to be punished.

I agree with you up to a point. In this article it says that the stick figure represented a fellow student and it was meant as a threat. If it was indeed a threat I would agree they should be punished, not led away in cuffs but punished. However I would be less concerned if they were just drawing generic stick figures in these scenes.

A year or two ago some school got all bent out of shape because a first or second grader drew some pictures of his dad or uncle who was serving in the Afghanistan killing bad guys. I don't remember all the details but it made the national news. Anyway my point is that this would be an example where I wouldn't be concerned at all.
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va_libertarian
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Posted - 01/26/2005 :  4:06:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's the bullying aspect of the boys' behavior that I think needs attention (but not from the courts, thank you very much).
As far as what boys like to draw, most of my fondest drawings as a child were of jet planes raining fire from the sky.
Maybe today I would be arrested?

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Buck
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Posted - 01/26/2005 :  10:30:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit Buck's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I agree on your first point and concur with the second. (I know agree and concur are redundant but it sounded better that way)


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