Category: Amendment 2

6 facts about Michigan open carry and schools

Mlive has a list of 6 surprising facts concerning Michigan’s Open Carry law and carrying on school properties.

  1. Open carry is legal in Michigan schools for individuals with valid concealed pistol licenses. It is illegal for an individual without a concealed pistol license to carry a firearm on school property.
  2. People with a CPL cannot carry a concealed firearm on school property. Open carry is the only option available to them if they wish to carry a firearm.
  3. State law MCL 28.425o, prohibits CPL holders from carrying concealed weapons in nine designated pistol-free zones, including schools. However, the law allows parents or legal guardians dropping off or picking up a child to keep a firearm inside their vehicle.

Those are the top 3. Read the rest at the Mlive’s site 6 facts about Michigan open carry law and guns in schools.

Concealed Carry Class in Three Rivers May 31st

There is going to be a Concealed Carry Class in the Three Rivers Area on May 31st 2014. The class is for qualified citizens 21 and older. It will start at 7 a.m. and will continue until finished. Classes are between 8 and 10 hours long (5 hrs. class time and 3-5 hrs. of range time). There is a $25 non-refundable registration fee and $100 for the day. Firearms are available to rent for $20 (You will need at least 110 rounds of ammunition).

For more information or to register call 278-1235 ext. 208. Or stop into the Three Rivers Police department. You can also download the registration form here.

Taurus 357 Magnum

Taurus 357 Magnum

Will Carry for Food (Open Carry that is)

Never open carried before? Well here is your chance! Just curious? Here’s a great opportunity to come get some questions answered and see other OC’ers “in action” Michigan Open Carry is inviting you to come have lunch with us at IHOP in Woodhaven. December 15th is Bill of Rights Day, and is set as “Guns Save Lives Day” by other pro gun groups. So come on out with us and celebrate both with MOC!

The Michigan Open Carry forum has announced that their next open carry event in Michigan will be held on December 15th in Woodhaven, MI. at 1:00PM. More about them and this Open Carry event can be found here.

Concealed Pistol License applications rose sharply in St Joseph County for 2013

Concealed Pistol License (CPL) applications in St. Joseph County have risen sharply in 2013, according to the Michigan State Police.

 

Last year, MSP received an average of 481 applications for permits and approved 463 of those for licensure. So far this year, there have been an average of 626 applications received and 523 approved, according to MSP.

 

“Within the past year, records have been broken as far as the number of background checks done for the purchase of firearms,” said Debra Smith, manager for the Michigan State Police firearms records unit. “We have also seen an increase in the number of people that apply for or receive concealed pistol licenses.”

No surprises here. I think this just says that St Joseph County is keeping pace with the rest of the country where conceal carry is legal.

The article in the Three Rivers Commercial also mentions that the Three Rivers Police Dept. offers a CCW (CPL) class but it doesn’t provide any additional information about it. If you know any specifics please post them to the comments and I will update this article later. See the entire article here.

As a side note: If you have even wondered which states allow concealed carry and more specifically which states honor Michigan’s CPL I have included a graphic from the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners below.

CPL Reciprocity

At present, States shaded in blue will not honor the Michigan CPL.

Check out their site for more Gun Related News.

Michigan Open Carry Event

Update: If you know of any other “Open Carry” events coming up, in Michigan, please post them in the comments.

The Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners, Michigan Gun Owners and Michigan Open Carry, Inc. are inviting the public to a “Second Amendment BBQ” from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Saturday, Sept. 28.

The organizations will provide free hot dogs and pop. Visitors are asked to bring a dish to pass and a gun.

At some point I am going to include an events page for this type of post but until then this will have to do. You can find out more about the event from this article at MLive titled, “Guns encouraged at Riverside Park picnic; Grand Rapids Mayor George Heartwell invited

For those of you interested in the organizations putting on the event you can find out more about them at these links:

  1. Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners
  2. Michigan Gun Owners
  3. Michigan Open Carry Forum 

Gun control does not decrease violence, study finds

Following the tragedies in Aurora, Colo. and Newtown, Conn. last year, the national rhetoric revolved around controlling the types of firearms Americans should be legally allowed to own. But a recently highlighted study shows that controlling firearms is actually counterproductive.

In a study published by Harvard University, researchers Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser reviewed the gun laws in several European countries to see if banning firearms would decrease murders and suicides. They found that countries with higher firearm ownership had lower murder rates.

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The researchers looked at Russia, which has strict firearm control measure, as a similar country to the United States in murder rates in the 1960s and 70s. However, Russia’s murder rates have drastically increased in the years since.

“While American rates stabilized and then steeply declined, however, Russian murder increased so drastically that by the early 1990s the Russian rate was three times higher than that of the United States,” the study says. “Between 1998-2004 (the latest figure available for Russia), Russian murder rates were nearly four times higher than American rates.”

I am not sure who this would surprise but if you are someone that is surprised by this you can read the rest here and become un-surprised.

Why not just ban violence?

Juxtaposed with the last post, Jackson County, MI allows employees to carry guns to work, a Grand Rapids Commissioner (on his way out) wants to exempt theirs and apparently other Michigan Cities from the Michigan Constitution.

James White took time at the end of a Tuesday, Aug. 27, City Commission meeting to read a prepared statement that “cities are different” from most of Michigan, and he urged lawmakers to “change any laws that might restrict the authority of cities to regulate violence and the potential for violence.”

So he wants to exempt cities from the law to protect cities from law abiding citizens? Smart. Very smart.

“The city has to have different rules because of the role it has to play,” White said after the meeting. “The state should value the cities and not say ‘Oh, you can’t’” regulate guns.

Umm no. The city has to follow the laws that everyone else in the state has to follow.

“Cities are not forests, farms, wildernesses, deserts or rain forests. Cities are markets for the exchange of goods, services and ideas. For the sake of the free flow of goods, services and ideas, cities must be regulated so that there is even and safe playing field.

I for one, feel a heck of a lot safer in a forest, farm, wilderness then I do of any city so this argument makes no sense.

“I believe that most gun owners are responsible people. But open carry implies the willingness to use the gun under certain circumstances. Other people are left to guess what those circumstances might be. Having to wonder is intimidation.

Of course carrying a gun in the open or concealed implies a willingness to use it. Why else would you carry one? It is not my concern what other people are left to guess about. Free speech is intimidation to some people. And some people just need to get over it.

“I recommend that the state of Michigan change any laws that might restrict the authority of cities to regulate violence and the potential for violence.”

If it is that easy why not just ban violence from your city? That should work, right?

If you can stand it read the rest of the article: Ban open carry of guns in Grand Rapids? City commissioner wants to regulate ‘potential for violence’

Jackson County, MI allows employees to carry guns to work. Wait. What?

 

The Jackson County Board of Commissioners is expected to approve a new workplace policy allowing county employees who have a concealed pistol license to carry their weapon while they work.

The board voted on the same policy last year, but it didn’t pass. The chariman of the board, Steve Shotwell, says last year’s policy didn’t pass because of how it was written. This year’s policy is in-line with state law.

The law in Michigan allows people who are have a CPL or concealed pistol license to bring their gun into the county building. Officials say employees should have the same privilege. 

"We’re following the state law on weapons, whether that’s a pistol, a shotgun or knife or otherwise," said Mike Overton, the administrator for Jackson County.

The rest of the article can be read Jackson County MI allows employees to carry guns to work. There is also a video from WLNS News 6 (which seemed to have some audio problems when I watched the video) included at the link.

While this is somewhat surprising, to me, based on the political climate we live in today it really make sense (to me anyway) because those who follow the laws are not the people with weapons we need to worry about and the people we do need to worry about are not going to follow the rules anyway.

"We’re following the state law on weapons, whether that’s a pistol, a shotgun or knife or otherwise," said Mike Overton, the administrator for Jackson County.

It is important to point out that at the end of the day Jackson County is really just getting itself inline with the Michigan State Constitution.

Carry by numbers

A growing number of Americans are getting permission to carry firearms in public—and under their clothes—a development that has sparked concern among some law-enforcement authorities.

Applications for “concealed-carry” permits are soaring in many states, some of which recently eased permit requirements. The numbers are driven in part by concern that renewed gun-control efforts soon could constrain access to weapons, along with heightened interest in self-defense in the wake of mass killings in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.

Read the entire article here Permits Soar to Allow More Concealed Guns. I love the fact that the National Research Council, which advocates gun control points out that concealed-carry permit holders have fatally shot 500 people and that 128 of those people have been convicted of manslaughter or homicide. 128? Are you kidding me? When you consider the number of people who are carrying that is a minuscule number and I would suspect that if you looked at any group of people, like for instance, doctors you may find a similar pattern. I have nothing to base that on (other than a hunch) and putting the number into perspective is complicated by the fact that I am not sure what time frame they were using or if they were including every state that allows concealed carry or just a selected few.

For the sake of argument lets say that they are talking about one state for one year. According to the CONCEALED PISTOL LICENSING ANNUAL REPORT put out by the Michigan State Police there were 87,637 permits issued between July 2010 and June 2011.  If you took those 128 people and assumed that everyone was from one state and received their permit in the time frame mentioned it would total less then one half a percent. And then when you realize Michigan alone has an estimated 400,000 + concealed carriers and it is one of many states that allow concealed carry that number is astonishing low.